The Creator of Spring Thinks You Can't Code Serious Software With AI

The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
5 May 2026 57 min
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Episode Description
Rod Johnson — the creator of Spring Framework and founder of Embabel — joins Simon Maple on the AI Native Dev Podcast to share his unfiltered take on where enterprise AI is actually heading.In this episode, Rod breaks down why enterprises are making a huge mistake rewriting Java apps in Python, why vibe coding will destroy your codebase if left unchecked, and why this might be the last generation of frameworks that developers ever choose for themselves.Rod also pulls back the curtain on Embabel

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