How DeepSeek leveraged Qwen and Llama to build its model in $5M

The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
7 April 2026 40 min
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Episode Description
Meta’s Llama might not actually be open source AI, and the developers building on it have no idea.In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, to break down what open source actually means in the age of AI and why most of the industry is getting it wrong.They get into:what open washing is and why it is happening across major models right nowhow DeepSeek built a frontier model for $5 million instead of $100 millionwhy Chinese developers are already on

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